Wannabe

that the most frightening thing about Wahhabism was that it was very easy for Wahhab to label other Muslims as infidels, if they didn't agree with him, they were toast....so yeah you have a good point.....

as an article I read, no doubt written by bitter Sunni Muslims not of the Wahhabi purist school noted that the Wahhabis have historically killed more Muslims than they ever killed Westerners...
it was also noted that Wahhab issued fatwas daily against people who didn't agree with him - I hear Ayman Al Z has a similar propensity....

like the story of the Al Queda detainee asked how he could justify the death of the Muslims in the WTC - his reply - they were low Muslims and therefore it was OK....

in other words it's the Wahhabi way or the highway....

or if you're not Wahhabi, you're not much

in other words if they can justify killing other Muslims so easily,
the rest of us are potential toast...

Petronas

What about the attack on the Paradise Hotel in Kenya last fall? How does that square with trying to target only adults? I'm afraid that al Qaeda has less scruples than some believe, and that the fact that many attacks have killed only adults is coincidence. I don't believe that OBL worries too much about the opinion moderate Muslims have of him.

Wannabe

when you find posts praising AQ and their role in 9-11 would it be possible to put in a separate thread for all the losers who still don't believe OBL is responsible....if you can remember and have the time of course...

I've been carrying on an ongoing argument with jeeves et al on a Rant and Rave thread....

I will be going through the old posts you guys have already posted but I would love to stick it to these guys....I have noticed a few references in those posts already....meanwhile I will be trolling the English lanquage jihadi sites what few there are for more evidence of the 9-11 credit being taken by AQ

I hope to join the monitoring fun in February when my work load decreases somewhat at work....

It will be especially interesting as it does appear war is happening in February barring a miracle like an internal coup or assasination.....

Wannabe

Radical Muslims defend 9/11 attackers

By Michael Georgy

LONDON (Reuters) - Radical Muslims have passionately defended the September 11 attackers at a controversial meeting that has undermined efforts by Islamic moderates to improve their image.

Entering the evening conference in London on Wednesday to discuss the "positive outcomes" of last year's attacks on the United States, Syrian-born cleric Sheikh Omar Bakri Muhammad described the more than 3,000 victims as "war casualties".

"Those people (the hijackers) thought they were defending themselves and they had a right to defend themselves," he said, citing prior U.S. military strikes abroad.

"(Osama) bin Laden has earned his leadership in the fight against evil," he added, referring to the leader of the al Qaeda movement blamed for the September 11 attacks last year.


OK SHEIKH OMAR - USING THE GENERAL PRINCIPLES OF SELF DEFENCE HOW WERE THE HIJACKERS DEFENDING THEMSELVES -
OMAR HAS BOUGHT INTO THE SHEIKH AZZAM GLOBAL JIHAD THEORY EXTRAPOLATED QUITE CREATIVELY FROM THE KORAN/HADITH/SUNNAH AND THE BASIS FOR AL QUEDA....

SECONDLY FOR ALL THOSE THAT THINK BIN LADEN HAS CONSPIRED WITH THE US TO COMMIT 9-11 - CAN ANYONE UNDERSTAND THE RATIONALE - IS THE WHOLE EXISTENCE OF AL QUEDA A CIA PLOT - TO ACCOMPLISH WHAT? KEEP THE MILITARY OCCUPIED - HEY I THINK THOSE BOYS ARE STRETCHED TO THE LIMIT AS IT IS? WHAT WOULD HAPPEN TO BIN LADEN IF IT WERE EVER PROVEN (AGAIN THE MUSLIM WORLD WOULD NEVER BELIEVE IRONICALLY) THAT BIN LADEN COLLOBORATED WITH THE GREAT SATAN - IT WOULD TURN THE MUSLIM WORLD UPSIDE DOWN, THOUGH WOULD THAT BE A BAD THING? THESE CONSPIRACY THEORY TYPES HAVE NEVER READ ANY OF AYMAN AL Z'S BOOKS - HE SPELLS IT OUT ALL QUITE CLEARLY.....

DID INTELL KNOW IT WAS ABOUT TO HAPPEN AND DIDN'T STOP IT - WELL THAT IS A WHOLE OTHER CAN OF WORMS....

lalalolo

i dont believe he is reponsible, tell why i should believe that!

Wannabe

with all due respect, this is the wrong thread, the whole basis of the gang here monitoring the jihadis sites is on the basis that the Al Queda perpetrated 9-11 which fact is celebrated by the jihadis, see my post below and at the sites being monitored and that the same group of people are planning further attacks.....otherwise Regis wouldn't have taken over the www.alneda.com site in the first place and created this forum for jihadis trackers....so you cannot preach to this group that Al Queda didn't do it....and if you read the translations, at minimum there is hate vs America and its allies and desire for more attacks....and the expression of very Unislamic sentiments....

I was just asking for more proof for the unbelievers such as yourself at another thread....if and when the jihadi trackers come across further praise for 9-11....and if they have time....

are you an Arabic speaker or reader lalalolo, perhaps you could take a look yourself...

Wannabe

on your Ajeeb posts thread, recently.....

the poems by or to Osama's sons are particularly intriguing as well as the post alleging an eyewitness account to Bin Laden's death...

Hamza is Bin Laden's youngest son and his favourite - the one he wishes to inherit his position, the kid recited anti American rhetoric at the most recent Al Queda wedding and was applauded...I have also seen some videotape a network got a hold of from Al Jazeera and it appears to be Hamza and few other Bin Laden children, all dressed in the best money can buy I might add, complete with those sneakers that light up, that stuck in my head, those expensive sneakers, they were playing on the remains of a helicopter, remember one did crash during the Afghan campaign.....

I found an excerpt from an article that mentions that tape
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/art.../7/190423.shtml

"Hamza bin Osama bin Laden – "bin" means "son of" – who is perhaps 6 years old, spoke, or rather shouted, a bit about defending Kabul, about Zionists and plunderers, and his support for Mullah Muhammad Omar.

"Muhammad bin Osama bin Laden, perhaps 14 years old, was shown carrying a weapon over his shoulder. Khaled bin Osama bin Laden and Laden bin Osama bin Laden were also mentioned."

I noticed the one poem refers to Mohammad bin Laden.

.....now the oldest son who was supposedly holding the fort in Tora Bora, his name is Saaid, and was caught by Iran and sent back to Pakistan where he is allegedly detained...

taoist

I hope this isn't off topic, but I'm not sure where else to go. After following a number of links, I've finally found the speech which resulted in Iranian professor Hashem Aghajari's death sentence. But it's not in English! I don't even know if it's arabic. Might be farsi. Can anyone help?

http://news.gooya.com/2002/07/02/0207-22.php

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FNG

I saw a tape of this kid perhaps a year ago. It was amazing stuff. Kid's ripping the rhetoric like a pro, but he can barely hold up this .45 revolver that's about the size of his arm. Fairly highly regarded, I understand, but from where I stood it was a touch farcical.

Thanks you Wannabe,
Glad you enjoyed the OBL poem post. Thank you for that information you provived, fascinating...

Wannabe

I read a English translation of part of his speech and I couldn't believe he was being sentenced to death....

but I guess this is a big issue in Islam right now and for good reason - there is a growing movement in Islam, which I believe is the right direction and the one way that Islam can finally progress and it has been referred to the Protestant Reformation of Islam....

this movement says that Mohammad intended that only the Koran would be the word of God and therefore all the Hadiths and Sunnah are to be ignored - this is significant because the division between Sunni and Shiia is contained in hadith, and other sects in Islam are based in Hadith, the Sharia is based more on Hadiths than the Koran ie. the stoning of adulterers is hadith, the Koran has a much lesser penalty prescribed, a lot of what Bin Laden (and other jihadis) relies on for his own justifications for his behaviour are in hadiths... the theory is that Mohammad himself would not have approved of the hadiths - the hadiths are stories written about what Mohammad said but most were written centuries after his death, many (thousands) have been declared false, many still are contradictory to the Koran etc, many are down right silly, and basically the purists also say that Mohammad never established a church structure specifically because he didn't want to set up up a clercial hierarchy like the Catholic Church, who would have too much power and make pronouncements about God's word which are not contained in the main authority ie. the Koran and the argument is that hadith have been used by clergy and Islamic rulers to justify their own agendas, thus Islam has been co-opted....because Sharia has changed over time and has differed from region to region which means it is not consistent to the Koran and couldn't be Mohammad's word, ie. which means it has been subject to blatant manipulation....

if I recall correctly....

what the Professor says is that Muslims should not be bound to the interpretations of the clergy, that Mohammad intended that each Muslim should read the Koran and interpret the Koran and only the Koran and to interpret for themselves....

of course the Shia clergy in Iran are going to be livid because he is in effect challenging their authority, he is challenging the legitimacy of the Shia sect itself if you take his speech to the logical conclusion...

yet my Western mind does not understand how saying that Muslims should interpret the Koran for themselves is apostasy?
He is saying that the Koran is the only word of God and that is the general understanding that indeed the Koran is the word of God. He isn't saying the Koran is wrong or Allah is wrong nor he is inciting people to go contrary to the Koran in any way.

Wannabe

DEBKAfile Exclusive Source: New al Qaeda message ordering attacks inside Israel is circulating Internet Wednesday.

”Il Hajar decorations” declares readiness to assist any fighter entering “Israel” through “the bank” to reach his target and establish strike bases against military and industrial locations

Same DEBKA source also sent the “Aramco Boy” message portending the al Qaeda attacks in Mombassa last year

Al-Qaeda Hunter

Thanks Wannabe!

I sent Debka that info this morning asking them to forward it to the IDF. I couldn't find a link on the IDF's site to submit tips.

I guess that's one way of getting it to them.

Al-Qaeda Hunter

Debka update with more accurate translation:

DEBKAfile Exclusive Source: New al Qaeda message ordering attacks inside Israel is circulating Internet Wednesday.

”Il Hajar Decorations” asks to use “your site” to inform “my brothers on the West bank and Gaza Strip” that I am willing to assist any fighter entering “Israel” to reach his target. I am preparing plans to strike military, industrial and crowd centers. Signed Zaynat Al Hajjar

Same DEBKA source also forwarded Nov. 25 “Aramco Boy” message portending the al Qaeda attacks in Mombasa three days later